Warning Christian Dogma and Biblical Exposition Ahead! This is the beginning of a short series where we will look at various topics of the paranormal and Fortean variety and see if Christian Scripture has anything relevant to say about them.
First on our paranormal plate is Ghosts!
Since The Sci-Fi Channel’s hit TV series Ghost Hunters hit the airwaves a few years ago investigations into the paranormal has gained in popularity. Seems like people are paying attention and a week does not go by lately when you see a news report of a local haunting. Here is one from my Youtube page that I recently put up that features an apparition caught on a security camera from a
As the popularity of Ghost hunting spreads it forces many people to take a hard look at their views of the afterlife and re-examine them in accordance with their long held traditions and religious faith. To many there is a conflict between the way they view subjects of the paranormal and what the teachers of dogma in their faith dictate.
A few weeks ago I received a letter from a woman who felt conflicted with her beliefs in the paranormal and her church’s view on the supernatural:
Pastor Swope,
I have been struggling with my beliefs in the paranormal, ie.ghosts, spirits, demons, ufos, etc. My fascination with this subject has me questioning if God would or does approve? I truly believe that after death, we go somewhere, we are energy and energy cannot die, our souls evolve to a higher plain, albeit ,heaven or hell. I was raised catholic and consider myself Christian. Some Christian teachings forbid any affiliation or belief in ghosts, they insist all is demonic. I would like to know what your belief is on this subject. I am a huge fan of the show "Ghosthunters" and never miss an episode, am I sinning? Throughout my life strange things have happened to me that defied explanation, during my teenage years(I am 51),while babysitting is Levittown,PA, Red Rosa Gate to be exact, there was a spirit living in the house that played strange games, and scared me more often then not. My parents bought a home in
Sincerely,
K.B.
I have known many Christians who struggle with their belief in the paranormal and church teachings. But what does the Bible say about Ghostly apparitions? What are they? Is it heresy to believe such things?
Many Evangelical and Fundamental Christian writers (I would call them Theologians but with many it is quite evident that they have not had training in Biblical Scholarship past Sunday morning
It all comes down to what view the person has on the afterlife. Where do we go when we die? There are many references in the Bible that points to the destination of the person after death. Let’s first look at these.
2 Corinthians 5:1,6-8
“For we know that if our earthly house this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.”
“We are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.”
Many people who argue against Ghosts as unbiblical point to verses 6-8. When we are dead, we are with God in heaven. So according to this view, there can be no such thing as a real haunting because the soul and spirit are in heaven at the point of death.
However that would be taking the scripture out of context. The Apostle Paul is writing this in a Roman jail. He is about to die. Christianity is an illegal religion at this time and those who align themselves with the group face torture or even death. Paul talks to the church at
The rapture is the Christian theological belief that Jesus will descend from heaven at the end of days and resurrect all His followers just as He was resurrected after He died. The mortal body will be replaced with a supernatural immortal body. Two of the main Biblical passages that give details about this are 1 Corinthians
But these passages are telling when it comes to what happens to the persona after death.
1 Corinthians
“Behold, I will tell you a mystery; We shall not all sleep but we shall be changed.”
1 Thessalonians
“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.”
The term ‘sleep’ is a euphemism for death in Christian Scripture (John
So what happens to our invisible part, the spirit or soul after death? Can the spirit still roam the Earth after death?
The Bible does talk about Ghosts, and the spirit of the dead returning to the earth.
In the Old Testament book of 1 Samuel chapter 28:7-25 we see Saul King of
Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.” So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”
The Bible clearly states that this is the Ghost of the prophet Samuel. Nowhere in the text does it state that he is otherwise. The spirit is the disembodied essence of the man, and he is recognizable. He is ‘brought up’ from the earth by the witch of Endor, brought from the grave to their presence.
According to the Old Testament, the concept of a Ghost or disembodies spirit of a deceased person is not only real, it is Scriptural.
What about the New Testament? A lot of Theological concepts evolve between the Testaments, such as Grace, Forgiveness and a host of others. What about the concept of a Ghost? Does this evolve as well after the teachings of Jesus?
Almost everyone has heard the story of Jesus walking on water, and if you ever went to Sunday School as a kid I am sure you additionally heard about Peter attempting to do the same and failing. This tale of trust and faith has been used for millennia to teach and encourage Christians. But just before the text talks about Peter’s attempt to come to Jesus on the water the text tells us something unusual:
Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out for fear. But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid.” Matthew 14:25-27
The disciples thought Jesus was a ghost. And they were afraid. Now if ghostly apparitions are all demonic presences as some Christians report, why were the disciples afraid? Just a few chapters earlier Jesus had demonstrated how to exorcise evil spirits and then commissioned the disciples to go all over the land and do so. (Matthew 8:28-34, Matthew 10:1-4) Although not implicit in the text it would seem that they should have had some personal experience in exorcism by themselves. So why were they afraid? Because they believed in Ghosts-the disembodied spirits of the dead who still roam the earth. And not only that, Jesus did not rebuke them for thinking he was a Ghost, instead He just calmed them down and let them know it was Him. If the concept of a disembodied spirit is so unbiblical why did Jesus let his disciples believe such things exist without correction?
Christian Scripture itself attests to the validity of Ghosts, and supports the idea that they are the disembodied spirits of the dead. Later Bible readers and teachers have read into the text their preconceived notions instead of reading from the texts and basing their ideas from the Scripture itself. Cults do the same thing to make their religious claims seem legit.
But let no one fool you. Belief in Ghosts is Scriptural. And to turn a phrase that the Fundamentalists use against them I would say, “The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it!”
Until next time,
Pastor Swope



















21 comments:
This is an interesting bit as I've wondered for a long time how the "ghosts are just demons mimicing human spirits" mindset was supposed to add up to that passage STATING it to be the spirit of Samuel.
Loved the video of the "ghost" in the hallway, Pastor Swope.
Unsettling to the core.
As usual, the newscasters smirked ragrding the viseo. Still cynical.
THANK YOU FOR THIS BLOG! :) it answered alot of questions for me.
Nice post. Been reading for a month or so now.
I would like to add Luke 24:35-40, where Jesus comes to the disciples in the upper room. They are afraid and Jesus shows that he is not a ghost by eating food.
I am a long time christian and believe that there are a lot of things out there that we don't understand, but it doesn't change my relationship with Jesus.
David
Thanks David,
Good one missed it!
A hearty "amen" to our common beliefs!
Great post as usual, Pastor Swope! This is a question that has been on my mind lately, and I really appreciate your analysis of the topic. It has helped me more than you know, and I am really looking forward to further entries in this series.
Just because it could be possible for demons to mimic human spirits, doesn't mean they always do. The Bible forbids communication with the dead, and I suppose this is as much for our protection as much as anything else, similar to many Biblical laws. 1 John 4:1 states to test any spirit that comes to you, and this could apply to any ghost that one happens to run into as well, if one is worried about demonic deception.
I've usually held the position of all hauntings as being demonic mimics, however I'm open to the idea and recognize that I don't know everything. So, in that light, I would like to ask a few questions:
1. What about Heb. 9:27 where it states that men die once and then are judged?
2. If hautings are really caused by "earthbound spirits" (a little too much ghost whisperer here)how do you deal with them in a scriptural manner? I've been a christian for many years, have seen and participated in exorcisms, and know how to deal with demons. I believe a demon must submit to the name of Jesus, however not sure all those verses apply to ghosts. Can we cast them out?
Good points Anonymous,
1)In my view Hebrews 9:27 allows for spectral hauntings because the Judgment it speaks of is most of the time considered the Final Judgment in Systematic Theology. It is in the context of Christ's sacrifice for sin and the ultimate destination of men, and the Final Judgment is far (?) into the future so possible spectral activity can happen in the meantime.
2)I personally believe that the basic way you interact with demonic presences and ghosts are the same..but different!
With the demonic we use the authority through Christ to demand that they obey and vacate.
With ghosts for the most part they just have to be told to leave. Personal authority. You don't have to invoke the Name or the Blood, but you demand just the same.
However in extreme cases where they refuse to stop harassing or leave there is a good chance it is not a ghost but an unclean spirit. You may have to do a cleansing of the area and sanctify it in the name of Jesus and through the Blood of Christ. Same basics as exorcism, with the binding of the spirits so they cannot flee to only return.
I believe that ghosts are indeed demons in disquise. When the witch at Endor brought up Sammuel, Sammuel's spirit was not walking the earth, his spirit was down in the heart of the earth {sheol} and I'm sure Sammuel went right back down after Saul was through talking to him.
I believe that 2 Cor.5:6,8 plainly says that when a believer leaves this life, he or she is with the Lord in heaven, not here on earth, and besides, in 1 Thess.4, it says in verse 14, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
Where is God at? He's in heaven, and if He is bringing the ones who sleep in Jesus with him when He returns, they are obviously in heaven with Him, not on earth as earth bound spirits. Where is the rich man at in Luke chapter 16? he is in hell being tormented in the flame, he is not an earth bound spirit. One more thing, just because the disciples thought Jesus was a ghost when they saw Him walk on water,doesn't necessarly mean they believed in earth bound spirits of dead people.
I believe ghosts are of two things, sometimes demons, and other times, it is just the residue a person leaves behind at death, like a recording being played back under the right conditions, it is not the earth bound spirits of dead people.
Chris
Thanks for the comment Chris,
I understand where you are coming from but your arguments are based on ideology rather than scripture. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I just like to look at the scripture by itself in its context.
That God allowed the witch to bring up Samuel does speak to the deposition of the soul or spirit.
And with the 2 Corinthians 2:5-6 passage I do hold to my views. If we take scripture out of context for the purpose of our own theological ideals then we are no better than a cult.
The parable of the Rich man and Lazarus of Luke chapter 16 is a parable. Is it to be taken literally? If so we have a lot of parables that are to be taken literally. I believe Christ was speaking in terms that the people of the day understood.
Jesus will bring those who sleep with Him because they will rise first, according to scripture which you state in its proper context. The passages you refer to do not say that they are in heaven waiting. Jesus will descend and raise the dead, then rapture the living, then they will come victorious according to Protestant Biblical Theology.
Not to say that your ideas of the scripture and their interpretations are wrong per say, but they rely upon literal interpretations of scripture that is taken out of context. I do respect your ideas, there are a lot of Christians who embrace your view points, but a close and honest interpretation of the Scriptures themselves are in order. At least that is how I was trained in an Evangelical Seminary and in my studies for a B.A. in Biblical Literature.
I do however on a philosophical standpoint agree wholeheartedly with you on the residual hauntings. And some entities can be demonic. I have personally encountered as such.
Thanks, I do not mean to argue or nitpick but just to restate my belief in Biblical deconstructionism. I am a firm believer in Scripture.
I'm so happy to see a person trained in religion who agrees with my own viewpoint, which includes the belief that the dead go to heaven at the time of the Rapture, but in the meantime they remain earthbound and can make an appearance as "ghosts." I have no doubt that ghosts exist and that demons exist also, but are different than ghosts. I cannot translate the original text of the Bible for myself, but in the translated versions, there are several passages in which death is referred to as "giving up the ghost."
looking at the following passage...
Matthew 12:43-45
43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
I've read this discribed as the actions of a demon when leaving a person but to likewise seems to suggest what could occur when a person's spirit/ghost/soul leave the body at death but are not ready or willing to move on or "...go to the light."
I'm interested to read your take on this passage.
Terry
The passage of Saul and the witch of Endor does not actually state that it was really the ghost of Samuel. Saul only perceives (or thinks) that the spirit the witch brought up was Samuel, since Saul never really saw the spirit. Furthermore, God strictly forbids the consultation of witchery, necromancy and the like.
Secondly, in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, Jesus says there is a chasm between the living and the dead and therefore no contact can be made between either. I don't believe Jesus makes up things just to make a point.
Thirdly, just because the disciples thought Jesus was a ghost and the belief of ghosts was popular even during that time does not validate their existence as true. Besides, Jesus wouldn't need to correct their belief in ghosts, rather, their immediate issue was their reliance and faith in Himself, first and foremost, not the existence of ghosts.
Thanks for the comment anonymous,
but your arguments are not Biblical.
The Scripture intently says it IS Sauls' ghost.
The parable of the rich man and Lazarus...is...a...parable. It's a story to relate a truth, and in this case I think most if not all Biblical Scholars would point out that the parable is NOT about our ultimate destination or what happens to us after death.
lastly you fail to understand the linear storyline and my argument entirely. Its not just that there was a popular belief in New Testament times of 'ghosts', but that if it was a demonic being like so many Christians think all 'ghosts' are then they simply would have tried to exorcise it. And I do believe that Scripture does accurately portray what their reaction was, so it is just a logical deduction.
I am sorry if I seem harsh or rough. But I hate it when Christians with no formal Biblical or Theological Education apart from Sunday School classes try to spout Dogma instead of what the Bible literally says. Dogma outside of Contextual Biblical interpretation is what cults adhere to. I would rather rely upon the Bible in its historical and cultural context than popular American fundamentalist Dogma.
I think some of the best verification that Ghosts are real are the words right out of Jesus' mouth.
Luke 24:39 (NIV)- Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." (Emphasis Mine)
Jesus tells the disciples stright out that Ghosts dont have flesh and bone, he doesn't say Ghsots aren't real. Now it could be argued he is applying to their understanding of what a ghost "is", but again, he could have corrected them saying "there are no such things as ghosts, here touch me, see I am flesh and bone, not a Ghost, ghosts don't exist!"
Now since so many Christians believe all Ghosts are Demons in disguise, then this would have been a VERY good reason for Jesus to have corrected his Disciples on the existence of ghosts, for think of how many Christians over the years could have been deceived by these masquerading demons!!
Furthermore, God forbids communing with the dead, why wold he forbid something that is fake? I think he would have said, all such spirits are demons, so do not commune with them. Rather to me it appears he is saying that comuning with the dead runs the risk of being deceived by Demons, and also perhaps there are other reasons He does not want us talking to the dead.
Christians are so fast to dismiss the Supernatural. But the Bible is evident that the supernatural is real. For instance, practicing magic is forbidden, again, why would God forbid something that is not real? He doesn't! The Magicians in Egypt prove to ALL True Believers that magic is very much real when they magically transform their staves into snakes!
Yours in Christ,
Crusader.
Pastor, I have a question. Do you think the spirits of the dead can be saved. There appears to be some scripture about Universal Salvation. These questions have been plaguing me as a new Christian. I don't want anyone to spend enternity in Hell. Please help.
Thank you,
Christine
Hi Christine,
In traditional protestant Christianity salvation is dependent upon a conscious choice. So to be saved you must do it while alive. However one cannot put limits on the grace of God. Mormonism does have a baptism for the dead, and until recently the Roman Catholics believed in Purgatory, which was a way point for the non-believer to attain salvation after death.
Pastor,
You keep asserting that those who don't share your beliefs are not properly educated and only a have a sunday school knowledge of scripture. It is wrong for you to assume that a lack of formal education precludes a person from having substantive or even advanced biblical knowledge.
Now to my point. Concerning the witch at En Dor you are missing one very important part of the text. The witch was surprised when Samuel appeared (1 Sam. 28:12). She didn't expect to conjure anyone or at least the spirit of an actual person. At best she may have expected a familiar spirit/demon.
Since you are so interested in scholarly opinion on the matter, try Mattew Henry's comments.
"All real or pretended witchcraft or conjuration, is a malicious or an ignorant attempt to gain knowledge or help from some creature, when it cannot be had from the Lord in the path of duty.M The whole shows that it was no human fraud or trick. Though the woman could not cause Samuel's being sent, yet Saul's inquiry might be the occasion of it. The woman's surprise and terror proved that it was an unusual and unexpected appearance."
Similar comments were made by Charles Spurgeon. I encourage everyone who reads this to check the biblical text one more time. If you want a commentary from real theologians there are plenty of them out there. Google it and you will be hard pressed to find any leading theologian of the past 200 years who agrees with the notion that somehow the witch intended or could conjure a disembodied human soul.
Thanks for the comment rlunsford,
I would never say that not having formal education would preclude someone from having substantive or advanced Biblical knowledge.
However formal training helps you understand how to properly interpret the Bible. I am sure whatever church you belong to would not hire a Pastor without some formal training. Without proper training and interpretation you can come up with any theory you wish.
As for the case of the witch of Endor, I saw no need to point to the fact that she was surprised, the topic was not spiritualism or necromancy but the possibility of the reality of Ghosts in Scripture. I fail to see what your point is within this topic. It has no relevance to the topic what so ever. You could use it as a supporting argument for my case that it was a real ghost since she was startled, but you didn't even do that. What was your point?
I like Matthew Henry, he is a good supplemental resource that should be on any Biblical students library, but referencing him is not scholarly. Try to use him as a reference to a major theological point in any College or Seminary and you will quickly find that to be the case. I had a friend in the early 90's who used Matthew Henry as a reference for just one point in a paper and he received a failing grade just by doing so.
That is not to say that his work is not useful, he has great insight for Christian living. But that's about it.
Instead of having people Google theological ideas perhaps one should get thyself to a Library, preferably one in a nearby Seminary or Christian College. Better yet actually take a real Theological class at such an institution.
I would advise against using Spurgeon as well, in most cases.
My major problem is that many people who disagree with my exposition of these texts DO NOT have formal education and yet they attack and condescend like they are Biblical scholars. Yet when you get down to their theological understanding it is rudimentary.
Can you have profound understanding of Biblical principles and Theology without formal training? Yes. I have known many wise old prayer warriors of the church.
But I've known quite a few heretics as well.
Your conclusions are preposterous. While I am open to possibilities, nothing you quoted even remotely proves your point. As far as "God said, I believe it, that settles it," You never verified that God said it. All that you proved from Scripture was that "ghosts" were still a superstition in Christ's time. He did correct them, He said "It is I" not a ghost. How does that PROVE that ghosts are real?!? So he didn't jump down there throat for thinking that... that still proves NOTHING.
As far as the witch of Endor goes, you left out some key details. When Samuel DID appear she freaked out. This woman, who according to you saw ghosts on a regular basis, freaked when she saw Samuel. That's because she had a "familiar spirit" a demon that consistently told her facts of those deceased in order to dupe those she performed for. Not unlike those that tell fortunes now (Silvia Brown...). So when she saw the real deal, she was greatly disturbed. Samuel was nothing more or less than an exception. God brought Samuel's spirit up, not the witch.
Your beliefs are wrong, which is fine. What is NOT fine, is your intentional manipulation of Scripture to make it sound like something you want to believe in. You inserted these meanings here instead of pulling them from the text. You are a false prophet, not because of your beliefs but because you abuse God's word.
I rebuke you for this, in the love of Christ, and ask that if you truly follow Him, to turn aside from this poor use of God's word to suit your own fanciful ideas. And in turn, that you allow God's word to say what it says, even if it does not cater to your belief system. Otherwise, accept the judgment of a God that does not tolerate those who abuse His word.
jojo4jc@hotmail.com
Dear John (jojo4jc@hotmail.com),
Thank you for your comment,
However you clearly were not paying attention to the comments and talk back here. I know how psychics work and you are correct about the witch of Endor being supervised. That has been mentioned here as well.
I stand by my interpretation of Scripture. I am not reading into it, only coming to the Scripture like every sane and logical minister has been taught throughout the ages: Context.
Also in regards to your tone and 'rebuking' me. I am a Seminary trained Exorcist and Christian Counselor. Your haughty attitude and self aggrandizing opinions that have no clear logical standing has me thinking you either suffer from a mental illness, cultist brainwashing, or a Pharisaical attitude.
So I would say to you, get help or learn how to walk in Christ and not in the flesh.
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